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Fri, 09 Jan 2009 00:50:38 +0100

.::Re: People get the Government They Deserve::.

By: Anonymous

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/10/mccain-showed-his-birth-certificate-an-actual-piece-of-paper/

Thought this may be of interest. Either way it is interesting of both parties.

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Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:15:15 +0100

.::Re: People get the Government They Deserve::.

By: A Person

McCain* has not released his birth certificate, neither has Palin, Bush, Clinton nor indeed any president or presidential candidate.

Obama however has taken the unprecedented step of publishing a scan on his website and has allowed his birth certificate to be examined and photographed by news reporters. His certificate was examined by the US Department of State, Bureau of Consular Affairs and deemed satisfactory. Just because he hasn't mailed it to you or any other right wing conspiracy theorist to examine it personally, does not mean that he hasn't produced it.

It only requires four Supreme Court Justices to agree that any of the cases have sufficient merit to proceed - but even that standard cannot be met. I doubt even you consider Thomas, Rehnquist, Scalia, Roberts or Alito to be 'liberal activist judges' - or do you?

* I mentioned McCain only to show that it's not 'liberal activist judges' that loosely interpret the constitution. McCain did not obtain his citizenship by reason of birth.

US Department of State wrote:http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86755.pdf
c. Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S.
diplomatic or consular facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the
14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to the
jurisdiction of the United States and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth.

Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:12:11 +0100

.::Re: People get the Government They Deserve::.

By: Sanjuro

God wrote:
SouthernFriedInfidel wrote:Why should god bless Israel, when it doesn't officially recognize Jesus as its king? You'd think that would be considered Heresy, and punishable by Wrath.

Just wondering...

Well, lots of people ask me to bless things. It's sort of in my contract to do it if they follow the basic tenants of their religion. Oh be serious sir. The "wrath" thing is so blown out of proportion.

Praise be upon me, I'm sure.

What the...

Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:08:40 +0100

.::Re: People get the Government They Deserve::.

By: God

SouthernFriedInfidel wrote:Why should god bless Israel, when it doesn't officially recognize Jesus as its king? You'd think that would be considered Heresy, and punishable by Wrath.

Just wondering...

Well, lots of people ask me to bless things. It's sort of in my contract to do it if they follow the basic tenants of their religion. Oh be serious sir. The "wrath" thing is so blown out of proportion.

Praise be upon me, I'm sure.

Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:03:17 +0100

.::Re: People get the Government They Deserve::.

By: SouthernFriedInfidel

God wrote:
nmnative wrote:
GOD bless you all and GOD bless the United States of America and the Nation of Israel.

I also bless you nmnative.

Oh, and I'll throw in the other countries too I guess.

Why should god bless Israel, when it doesn't officially recognize Jesus as its king? You'd think that would be considered Heresy, and punishable by Wrath.

Just wondering...

Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:47:37 +0100

.::Re: People get the Government They Deserve::.

By: God

nmnative wrote:
GOD bless you all and GOD bless the United States of America and the Nation of Israel.

I also bless you nmnative.

Oh, and I'll throw in the other countries too I guess.

Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:28:01 +0100

.::Re: People get the Government They Deserve::.

By: Anonymous

Since I am not talking about John McCain once again liberals move the subject. McCain has provided his birth certificate anyway for all to see, he had no qualms about it. The subject matter though is on Obama and he has not and refuses to show it, so again he has something to, sadly, hide.

Also I do not approve of all that Bush has done either, I am a Reagan Republican and proudly served this country in the 80's. I am sad to see that people would rather let socialism run their lives, very sad.

Well enough of this, I am not quiting, just letting People Get The Government They Deserve.

GOD bless you all and GOD bless the United States of America and the Nation of Israel.

Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:04:52 +0100

.::Re: American Airlines Promotion Codes::.

By: Anonymous

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Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:58:15 +0100

.::Re: People get the Government They Deserve::.

By: A Person

nmnative wrote:What would happen if a politician actually got away with such a thing?

Well - if he got away with it then:
Do you believe ANY of our God-given rights would remain secure? - Your rights are given by the Constitution and Bill of Rights, not God, and they can not be taken away by God either. But in any case the answer is yes.
Would any bill this Usurper signed into law be valid? Yes
Would this Usurper's Supreme Court appointments be valid?Yes
Would the military recognize this Usurper as Commander-in-Chief and what actions would those within our military take?Yes
What would our enemies around the world do?Whatever they normally do
What would happen to the economy... your job... your home... your assets or what you've put away for retirement?Those have already been sucked away into the Bush void
Would our society destabilize uncontrollably and would we actually start down the road to anarchy?No.

Remember - he got away with it :roll:

nmnative wrote:Would a flagrant, callous and outright disregard of the Constitution send a clear message to liberal activist judges and legislators that a nuanced approach was no longer necessary... that they could literally strip our rights, liberties and freedoms with tyrannical impunity... that the Constitution of the United States is effectively a WORTHLESS PIECE OF PAPER?

The definition of 'natural born American' has been loosely interpreted in the past, most notably on 30 April 2008, the Senate adopted a resolution recognizing that John McCain, is a natural born citizen

S.RES.511 RESOLUTION
Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.

Whereas the Constitution of the United States requires that, to be eligible for the Office of the President, a person must be a `natural born Citizen' of the United States;

Whereas the term `natural born Citizen', as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States;

Whereas there is no evidence of the intention of the Framers or any Congress to limit the constitutional rights of children born to Americans serving in the military nor to prevent those children from serving as their country's President;

Whereas such limitations would be inconsistent with the purpose and intent of the `natural born Citizen' clause of the Constitution of the United States, as evidenced by the First Congress's own statute defining the term `natural born Citizen';

Whereas the well-being of all citizens of the United States is preserved and enhanced by the men and women who are assigned to serve our country outside of our national borders;

Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President; and

Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a `natural born Citizen' under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.

No similar resolution was necessary for Obama since there is no credible evidence that he is not a natural born citizen.

The three branches legislative, executive, and judicial were established by the constitution to provide checks and balances to each other. Since all three agree and accept the prima facie evidence that Obama is a 'natural born American' then the fat lady has not only sung, she's picked up the flowers, eaten the chocolates, drunk the champagne and is snoring after bed-shattering sex with the lead tenor.

Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:49:15 +0100

.::Re: Greensboring Poll: Should Marijuana be legalized in the USA?::.

By: Sanjuro

Wow, I'd like to know more about the methods used in getting data for that graph. Good post, Spaced_Colonist.

And: :text-welcomewave:

Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:59:21 +0100

.::Re: People get the Government They Deserve::.

By: Sanjuro

AAGGHH MY EYES! :scared-whoa:

Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:52:11 +0100

.::Re: People get the Government They Deserve::.

By: Anonymous

Now that the Supreme Court has taken a pass on the issue, the action filed by USJF is our best hope when it comes to compelling President-elect Obama to respect the Constitution and provide the American people viable substantiation that is is Constitutionally qualified to be President of the United States.

Some of what you are about to read may shock you. Some of what you read may cause you to tremble.

In fact...

Reading this letter may be the one of the most important things you do in your life!

The sad and unfortunate truth is that your life... the liberties and freedoms we all sometimes take for granted... your future and the future of your children and grandchild actually hinges on what actions you choose to take after reading this letter.

What would happen if you woke up one morning and found out that the President of the United States was a USURPER... a FRAUD... a PHONY?

Think about that question for a while before you answer.

Mull it over.

What would happen if the leader of the free world was Constitutionally ineligible to be President of the United Stated but - in direct and undisputable violation of the letter of the Constitution - decided to take and hold office anyway?

What would happen if a politician actually got away with such a thing?

Do you believe ANY of our God-given rights would remain secure?

Would any bill this Usurper signed into law be valid?

Would this Usurper's Supreme Court appointments be valid?

Would the military recognize this Usurper as Commander-in-Chief and what actions would those within our military take?

What would our enemies around the world do?

What would happen to the economy... your job... your home... your assets or what you've put away for retirement?

Would our society destabilize uncontrollably and would we actually start down the road to anarchy?

Here's a scarier proposition.

For years, liberal activist judges have tried to legislate from the bench and erode the Constitution, but in doing so, they have always been nuanced and careful in their approach.

They found "penumbras" in the Constitution or claimed the Constitution was a "living, breathing and evolving document" so they could make a pretext of honoring the Constitution as they changed its actual meaning and slowly and almost imperceptibly eradicated the rights of the people.

Would a flagrant, callous and outright disregard of the Constitution send a clear message to liberal activist judges and legislators that a nuanced approach was no longer necessary... that they could literally strip our rights, liberties and freedoms with tyrannical impunity... that the Constitution of the United States is effectively a WORTHLESS PIECE OF PAPER?

Could the will of the people become merely something that could be ignored by those who tyrannically hold the reins of political power at the moment?

If JUST ONE SECTION of our Constitution can be flagrantly and callously ignored, IS ANY PART OF THE CONSTITUTION VALID ANYMORE?

If you think I exaggerate, ponder those points for a moment and understand why President-elect Barack Obama MUST be compelled to verify that he is a "natural born citizen"?

If President-elect Obama is NOT compelled to verify that he is Constitutionally eligible to be President of the United States, the consequences could be dire for you... for your children... for your grandchildren... and for our nation!

The people of the United States do NOT directly elect the President. The people choose Electors from their respective states who, in turn, elect the President and Vice-President of the United States. THESE ELECTORS MEET ON DECEMBER 15!

Please join us. Use the hyperlink below to send your 50 faxes to the Attorney Generals of all 50 States. Demand that they take necessary steps to ensure that the Electors from their respective states properly fulfill and execute the duties of their office and verify that President-elect Obama is a "natural born citizen" prior to casting their votes on December 15.

These Electors have an obligation to uphold the Constitution. It's an obligation that supersedes their pledge to vote for a particular candidate. And moreover each of the Attorney Generals of the 50 States has an obligation as well to see to it that the Electors properly execute the duties of their office.

How much is it worth to preserve your way of life and the freedoms and liberties of your children and grandchildren? Your TAX-DEDUCTIBLE donation will help us send these faxes on your behalf and support the vital mission of the United States Justice Foundation.

Win or lose, freedom loving Americans must draw a line in the sand and demand that the Constitution be upheld. If not, all is lost!

https://secure.conservativedonations.co ... ag/?a=1964

For the Record...

I'm obliged to make one thing abundantly clear.

I'm not saying that President-elect Obama is NOT Constitutionally eligible to be President of the United States.

The problem is we simply do not know!

When reports surfaced that President-elect Obama's maternal grandmother was claiming that she was was present at Obama's birth in Mombasa in what is now Kenya, some people dismissed the statement as unsubstanciated.

But then, a birth certificate that turned out to be a forgery made its way onto Obama's website. Why produce a forged birth certificate?

Then there were the ambiguous statements from officials in Hawaii who claimed that a "Certificate of Live Birth" exists for President-elect Obama in Hawaii. However the laws of Hawaii allow for a child to be furnished a "Certificate of Live Birth" even if the child was NOT born in Hawaii.

Specifically, the statute reads:

"[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child."

Dr Chiyome Fukino with Hawaii's Department of Health stated:

"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawaii, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

But officials in Hawaii got mysteriously silent when asked; if the "Birth Certificate" listed Obama's actual place of birth. Why?

Then there was the issue of college records that Obama refuses to release. Why? Could those records indicate that he received financial aid as a foreign student?

Recently Dr. Jerome Corsi traveled to Kenya to see if he could find a birth certificate for President-elect Obama but was detained by Kenyan officials. Again... Why?

Janet Porter, writing for WorldNetDaily.com, raises even more questions:

According to Porter:

"In Hawaii, a Certification of Live Birth is issued within a year of a child's birth to those who register a birth abroad or one that takes place outside a hospital,' she said."

"'There's the matter that Obama traveled to Indonesia, Pakistan, Southern India and Kenya in 1981. He said he went to Indonesia to see his mother. This seemed plausible, except for the fact that his mother returned to Hawaii in August of 1980 to file for a divorce from her second husband, Lolo Soetoro. Unless she went back to pal around with the man she divorced, she wasn't there at the time of Obama's visit," Porter wrote.

"'There's another problem. No record of Obama holding an American passport prior to the one he received once becoming a U.S. senator has been found. If he traveled to Pakistan with an American passport, he wouldn't have been allowed in - since Pakistan was in turmoil in 1981 and under martial law. It was also on the State Department's travel ban list for U.S. citizens,' she wrote.

"'If he couldn't get into Pakistan with a U.S. passport, perhaps he went there with an Indonesian passport. But the only way you can get one of those is if you are an Indonesian citizen.'"

And finally, one can not shake President-elect Obama's unwillingness to release an authentic copy of his birth certificate, nor can it be ignored that President-elect Obama has hired teams of attorneys (not individual attorneys but teams of attorneys) to thwart attempts by third parties to compel him to produce a birth certificate.

The question as to whether President-elect Obama is a "natural born citizen" - as REQUIRED (NOT SUGGESTED) by the Constitution - is not just significant... it's now downright compelling.

And it's a question that MUST be answered!

The people of the United States do NOT directly elect the President. The people choose Electors from their respective states who, in turn, elect the President and Vice-President of the United States. THESE ELECTORS MEET ON DECEMBER 15!

Please join us. Use the hyperlink below to send your 50 faxes to the Attorney Generals of all 50 States. Demand that they take necessary steps to ensure that the Electors from their respective states properly fulfill and execute the duties of their office and verify that President-elect Obama is a "natural born citizen" prior to casting their votes on December 15.

These Electors have an obligation to uphold the Constitution. It's an obligation that supersedes their pledge to vote for a particular candidate. And moreover each of the Attorney Generals of the 50 States has an obligation as well to see to it that the Electors properly execute the duties of their office.

How much is it worth to preserve your way of life and the freedoms and liberties of your children and grandchildren? Your TAX-DEDUCTIBLE donation will help us send these faxes on your behalf and support the vital mission of the United States Justice Foundation.

Win or lose, freedom loving Americans must draw a line in the sand and demand that the Constitution be upheld. If not, all is lost!

https://secure.conservativedonations.co ... ag/?a=1964

Why Not Contact the Electors?

That could still happen... stay tuned... but these electors will vote in a matter of days. Time is short and under such circumstances, working your way up the food chain quickly is a PRIORITY!

Some people have contacted the Electors in their states.

Lynn Stuter, writing for the Internet website NewsWithViews.com, recounts what happened when she e-mailed an elector in her state.

Stuter points out:

"Electors are sworn to uphold it (the Constitution) with their vote on December 15th in the Electoral College. But they must first know for sure that the candidates meet the Constitutional requirements for the office of President beginning with being a natural born citizen."

Then, Stuter gets to the meat of the matter:

"I am requesting that you examine closely the information provided below before you vote on December 15, 2008. If, after being elected president, Barack Hussein Obama is found to be, in fact, ineligible, the constitutional crisis will be far reaching."

"The first duty of every Elector is to the Constitution.

"The next morning, I received the following response from one of the Electors:

"'I have put you on my spam service. I will NO longer accept mail from you. I have signed an affadavit (sic) that I will vote for my parties (sic) candidate. You are asking me to go against this affadavit (sic) which not only would cause a large monetary fine but would go against the promise I made in Person (sic) to well over 1000 people.'

"'In asking me to go against my written pledge which our state requires you are (sic) encourage me to do an illegal thing.'

"'Most of all, I think that President-elect Obama is one of the best things to ever happen to our country. As a life long Democrat and (sic) a bi racial (sic) son who was killed in action as a soldier; it is my HONOR to cast my electoral vote for him.'"

Incidentally, while we're on the subject of Electors, we recently located what appears to be a glaring irregularity in California.

In Los Angeles County, Ilene Huber is listed as the presidential elector designated in the 28th Congressional district. However, the registrar-recorder/county clerk of the county of Los Angeles, state of California, has no record of an Ilene Huber listed as a registered voter in the County of Los Angeles. Furthermore, a statewide search of public records has revealed only one Ilene Huber in the state of California, and she is deceased.

Other than a dead Elector there may be even more irregularities.

According to WorldNetDaily.com:

"... [A]ccording to Chris Myers, director of research for the California Democratic Party, who submitted the list of presidential electors for the Democratic Party to the office of the California secretary of state, there are additional, undisclosed, 'errors' in the list of electors. This admission was made in a telephone conversation with a representative of the American Independent Party on or about November 20, 2008."

The people of the United States do NOT directly elect the President. The people choose Electors from their respective states who, in turn, elect the President and Vice-President of the United States. THESE ELECTORS MEET ON DECEMBER 15!

Please join us. Use the hyperlink below to send your 50 faxes to the Attorney Generals of all 50 States. Demand that they take necessary steps to ensure that the Electors from their respective states properly fulfill and execute the duties of their office and verify that President-elect Obama is a "natural born citizen" prior to casting their votes on December 15.

These Electors have an obligation to uphold the Constitution. It's an obligation that supersedes their pledge to vote for a particular candidate. And moreover each of the Attorney Generals of the 50 States has an obligation as well to see to it that the Electors properly execute the duties of their office.

How much is it worth to preserve your way of life and the freedoms and liberties of your children and grandchildren? Your TAX-DEDUCTIBLE donation will help us send these faxes on your behalf and support the vital mission of the United States Justice Foundation.

Win or lose, freedom loving Americans must draw a line in the sand and demand that the Constitution be upheld. If not, all is lost!

https://secure.conservativedonations.co ... ag/?a=1964

Crossing the Rubicon...

Simply stated, if the Electoral College actually allowed an unqualified person to be elected President of the United States, or allowed a person to be elected without verifying that that he or she is qualified, our entire form of government could be compromised!

I don't make that statement lightly. It's not an exaggeration.

Liberty and freedom are not the rule in this world.

They're exceptions.

In the United States, we take freedom for granted. It's a given. To us it's like breathing or walking.

And that's no accident.

Our Founding Fathers established a government under the basic premise that men "are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights." ... rights that could not be taken away because they come from a Power greater than any one of us.

They believed the primary purpose of government was to secure and safeguard those rights and they enumerated those rights in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Stated in greater detail...

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it...."

When the most powerful among us are no longer bound by those founding documents - and, more importantly, when we refuse to hold them accountable - there can be no freedom... no liberty... only unrest... violence... oppression... tyranny... perhaps not tomorrow, but very soon!

Our Founding Fathers knew that all too well.

The action you take now may very well determine the future you leave to your children and grandchildren.

We have indeed crossed the Rubicon.

If we do nothing... we sign the death warrant for our nation.

The action you take or don't take right now will determine our future. What will you do?

The people of the United States do NOT directly elect the President. The people choose Electors from their respective states who, in turn, elect the President and Vice-President of the United States. THESE ELECTORS MEET ON DECEMBER 15!

Please join us. Use the hyperlink below to send your 50 faxes to the Attorney Generals of all 50 States. Demand that they take necessary steps to ensure that the Electors from their respective states properly fulfill and execute the duties of their office and verify that President-elect Obama is a "natural born citizen" prior to casting their votes on December 15.

These Electors have an obligation to uphold the Constitution. It's an obligation that supersedes their pledge to vote for a particular candidate. And moreover each of the Attorney Generals of the 50 States has an obligation as well to see to it that the Electors properly execute the duties of their office.

How much is it worth to preserve your way of life and the freedoms and liberties of your children and grandchildren? Your TAX-DEDUCTIBLE donation will help us send these faxes on your behalf and support the vital mission of the United States Justice Foundation.

Win or lose, freedom loving Americans must draw a line in the sand and demand that the Constitution be upheld. If not, all is lost!

https://secure.conservativedonations.co ... ag/?a=1964

In His Service

Gary Kreep, Executive Director
United States Justice Foundation

Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:06:43 +0100

.::Re: Joe the 'Plumber' gets a new job::.

By: A Person

I think the US already has a surfeit of ill-informed, loud-mouthed right-wing commentators. Joe isn't even entertaining or photogenic. So I don't think Joe will rise to any prominence - as evidenced by him not being hired by FOX. Let's face it, who would pay any attention to Coulter if she wasn't an anorexic blond who makes Poe like outrageous statements.

Murrow had a good speaking voice and was pleasant to listen to, so I think his position in history is secure.

Thu, 08 Jan 2009 19:57:14 +0100

.::Re: People get the Government They Deserve::.

By: A Person

nmnative wrote:In Hawaii anyone who moves and lives in the state for at least a year can apply for a Certificate of Live Birth.
Does anyone see the difference of the wording of this document? Birth Certificate versus Live Birth especially the fact that it can be given out freely after living in Hawaii for a year.

And yet you expect to be taken seriously after making such a silly statement.

The 'Certificate of Live Birth' is commonly referred to as a birth certificate. It is distinct from a 'Certificate of Stillbirth' which does not convey any citizenship rights.

A certificate of live birth, aka birth certificate, is the prima facie evidence of the fact of a birth in any court proceeding and is the Primary Evidence of U.S. Citizenship

When applying for a U.S. passport in person, evidence of U.S. citizenship must be submitted with Form DS-11. All documentation submitted as citizenship evidence will be returned to you. These documents will be delivered with your newly issued U.S. passport or in a separate mailing.

Primary Evidence of U.S. Citizenship (One of the following):
Previously issued, undamaged U.S. Passport
Certified birth certificate issued by the city, county or state*
Consular Report of Birth Abroad or Certification of Birth
Naturalization Certificate
Certificate of Citizenship

*A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar’s signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes.

I suspect this last requirement is where your confusion arises. A certificate of live birth must be filed with the registrar's office within 1 year of the birth. That in no way means that anyone can move to and live in Hawaii for a year and be entitled to a birth certificate stating they were born there. That is laughable. US citizenship is a tad more challenging than that - and in no case will your recorded place of birth ever be changed. If you are foreign born and become a naturalized citizen, your passport will still always show your real place of birth. The suggestion that Anne Dunham could bring a foreign born (black) child into the US and register the birth as if it had occurred in Hawaii is silly. Have you never gone through a US border? Just try bringing in a baby without any documentation :roll:

Thu, 08 Jan 2009 19:35:05 +0100

.::Re: Joe the 'Plumber' gets a new job::.

By: SouthernFriedInfidel

A Person wrote:I get the impression that Joe was smart enough to see the opportunity and seize it. From day one he managed to retain visibility and promote himself. The only difference between him and Sean Hannity or Ann Coulter is that he believes himself.

So you're saying that Greensboro native Edward R. Murrow's reputation is not in any danger of being eclipsed...? :lol:

Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:07:04 +0100

.::Re: Joe the 'Plumber' gets a new job::.

By: A Person

I get the impression that Joe was smart enough to see the opportunity and seize it. From day one he managed to retain visibility and promote himself. The only difference between him and Sean Hannity or Ann Coulter is that he believes himself.

Thu, 08 Jan 2009 17:40:38 +0100

.::Re: Joe the 'Plumber' gets a new job::.

By: Pineview Style

Well, honestly, after seeing some of the reporting on TV lately, he may turn out to be ok after all.

Well, I coulda been an actor, but I wound up here
I just have to look good, I dont have to be clear
Come and whisper in my ear
Give us dirty laundry

Don Henley - "Dirty Laundry"

Thu, 08 Jan 2009 17:12:07 +0100

.::Re: Recasting the War on Terror::.

By: SouthernFriedInfidel

Liv wrote:Wasn't one of Obama's campaign promisses was to end the war???

Why are we not seeing plans for this?

See, confusion abounds, thanks to lack of clear definitions. Obama promised to end the war in Iraq. That is NOT the "Global War on Terror."

Thu, 08 Jan 2009 16:37:57 +0100

.::Re: High Point Road's Reversible Lane System Gone... HOW STUPID!::.

By: Fecund Stench

Not to worry. The streets are to be paved with gold. But we won't get to see it. A wall will be erected on both sides of Lee and HP Road. Koury Security will protect the new enterprise zone from people like us. But we'll get a crack at them when they leave in their APVs to go downtown or Sedgefield.

Thu, 08 Jan 2009 16:31:00 +0100

.::Re: God doesn't help, because he can't::.

By: Sanjuro

My point exactly:

Liv's Article wrote:The second point I want to make is that science fiction, like any text, can be read in ways which the authors didn’t intend the readers to read it. This sounds contentious, but it’s actually a fairly standard thing in modern cultural theory (which you’ll have to take my word for) that divergent or subversive readings of a text are perfectly legitimate2. It’s entirely reasonable for a reader to understand by a text something different from what the author intended to put into it. We all bring our own cultural assumptions to anything we read, and they differ slightly from person to person, so nobody’s going to have exactly the same assumptions as the [author]. And that’s just as true of us, with the Christian cultural assumptions we bring to things we read or watch, as it is of anybody else.

So, you can draw anything you want from it. Personally I think the Doctor is actually representative of a garbage man and the Tardis is his Garbage truck. The Time vortex is obviously the smell that wafts out of the back as it barrels down the road which, naturally, no one person can absorb.